I'm a big fan of my Jefe Grande. LL seats are the best in the business. I've never used it to any the even remotely close to its potential. I'm still not that great a WW paddler, but I've done quite a few class 3+ rides in my Grande. Most of the people I paddle with run Piranha or Dagger play boats, while you can surf in a Jefe it takes a LOT more effort. The grande is built like a tank which also meant it is HEAVY. Depending on where you paddle, Put-in / take-out / portage, this can be more or less of an issue. Recently I have been doing a lot more flat water playing with the kids, while that is clearly not the intended purpose of the Jefe it's kinda fun to get up a head of steam, stop paddling and spin in circles or pass the kids with the boat facing perpendicular to the direction of travel.