I am a 6'1, 200 lb....
I am a 6'1, 200 lb. experienced whitewater canoeist and wilderness tripper. I found it difficult to find a solo canoe here in the South that is lightweight, not kevlar, and not a whitewater C-1 which I have. I also got tired of taking my kevlar Swift Osprey onto slow rivers where shallow shoals abound and dragging is a must. The 119 is good for all such rivers down with up to class 2's maybe some IIIs, and being plastic is okay for dragging. I use a canoe fold back seat for more comfort, and a 250cm lenght kayak paddle. Due to 119's short length and seat location a kayak paddle works best. Seat is low, you cannot put your kness under it, but stability is fine. Remember this is not going down class IV's.
I purchased this boat...
I purchased this boat online and it shipped directly from Old Town. It was packaged well and I damaged as received from Old Dominion Freight. Upon inspection, there were two holes in the bottom of the hull going all the way into the foam core. I contacted Old Town about the issue, and after nearly a week, I called them back and they advised that this is a common issue with their boats and affects neither performance or durability. I guess time will tell, as their solution was to mail me a piece of plastic to melt into the holes.
Furthermore, the specs listed by Old Town are off. The depth is listed as 19” at the bow and stern and actually measures 18”. Amidships, Old Town advertises 13.5” and my boat measures 12”. Additionally, the width is advertised as 32.5” and is actually 31.5” on my boat. Not huge differences, and will be of benefit 25 percent of the time, but if someone is looking for a small river runner could make a difference (especially when coupled with the useless keel on the boat).
The only reason I purchased this boat was for a cheap knockabout boat to drag over the shoals when the river is low, but I wasn’t expecting to be patching one before I even hit the water. Or pay full price for a factory defect.
I canoed the 2552 miles of...
I canoed the 2552 miles of the Mississippi with this canoe. I moved the seat to the very back. This helped with packing and also helped with the track. I have been through 8' swells from tug boats and lots of chop. Never tipped. I am canoeing the TN river next month with the same canoe. Move the seat to the back of the canoe.
Have had this Old Town...
Have had this Old Town canoe for years. Added a trolling motor bracket makes for an excellent time cruising in silence!
Great little canoe
I would like to say a few things about this canoe. OT Discovery 119.
First of all, I would like to say a few things about my needs when it comes to canoeing, I was looking for something that I could handle on my own. Lift on and off a car by myself, and also a boat that could handle a decent amount of weight. I thought a lot about what my needs would be, Do I need something with rocker, or not. And how stable i needed it to be. I am an avid fisher, But at the same time didn't want a canoe that was too stable as I realized that this would have a big impact on speed. I narrowed it down to either a small canoe 12-14 feet, or buy something made out of kevlar. Reading reviews here made again uncertain about the OT D119. Because people said it was too tippy. And that is nothing but lies.
I ended up buying one eventually. And surprised on how stable it was. There are so many bad reviews on this site, that shoul't be considered. And those reviews create some uncertainty. I love research before i buy, so maybe its only people like me that take what people say as a consideration. People here write they have 30 years of experience with canoes, and had issues with the OT D119. Like they couldn't paddle it at all. I have zero experience with canoeing. And it took me 2 mins to paddle it straight with a 5 min youtube lesson on the J-stroke (or what it was called). No tendency to tip at all, NONE WHATEVER. If you tip, its because you ask for it, or you are a bit ignorant to a few things when it comes to canoeing. Like keeping your head, and upper body within the centre of the canoe, and not beyond the edge of the "canoe wall". If you don't know this, you learn that within minutes. Because the OT D119 lets you know if you are getting close to tipping.
So take my advice this canoe is great. Depends on your needs, but this is good if you need something small, and that can pack amounts of gear, I've checked out every brand, compared the data. And unless you can come across an used OT Pack canoe, this one is the best. Paddling.com really needs to filter rage-reviews from unhappy buyers that clearly did not chose the right canoe. It is a very mistake to do. And let the frustration go out in the review of the product. But this in the end helps none of us, thus eliminating the whole purpose of making reviews.
Fine little canoe - even for an old guy!
I took my new Old Town Discovery 119 on its maiden voyage today, in early April, and I was pleased. I am a 64 year old man in pretty good physical shape for my age. I also have experience in canoes from decades ago.
I carry the 119 in the 6' bed of my mid-size pickup. I have 8' of support for the canoe with the tailgate down. I secure it with two light duty ratchet straps. Loading, unloading, and traveling is a breeze.
I had not been in a canoe in many years, so I took my first ride with the canoe empty, except for myself and a paddle. I use a paddle because I used to be pretty good with "J" stroking - and apparently still am. Some have written about using a kayak paddle with the 119; there is certainly nothing wrong with that, but I did not want to manage the bulk. The first hour long trip around a small lake was pleasant and uneventful. I quickly regained my canoeing confidence.
I returned to the boat launch and attached a webbed backrest to the seat, which really enhances comfort. I loaded the 119 with one 8 lb. mushroom anchor and one ultra-light spinning rod and reel. I carried a small assortment of tackle in a plastic box in one of the pockets of my fishing life vest. All went well for a couple hours of early season fishing - too early for the fish it seemed. I secured the anchor to the front thwart and stowed it in front of the thwart, which was quite handy. I stored my rod and reel behind the seat, pointed astern, while paddling, which worked fine until I carelessly allowed it to slide and project out the starboard side. I jeopardized a treasured old ultra-light rod with my carelessness, but that was no fault of the 119.
In summary, I think the Old Town Discovery 119 is a great little canoe. It is light enough for an old guy to manage, performs acceptably on quiet water, and meets my expectations.
love use this old town. i...
love use this old town. i went and got one for me. i use it lot of the time. glad i did. went in lake and rivers. ponds are great too. hope to see people out doing this and like it to
Purchased this little boat...
Purchased this little boat here in Germany a few weeks ago. It's the newest version with nylon webbing seat (I also know the old version with plastik seat but didn't like it). I used it only on calm conditions so far.
The hull seams durable and it is stiff, no oil canning. The boat tracks surprisingly good using canoe paddle. It's not for winning a marathon race but speed is ok, not only for use on moving water but also for day trips without current.
I am 6 feet two inch high and 215 lbs. The weight is no problem for this boat but seating was only 6 inches high. I cut the metal plates in two parts and riveted together. Now the seat is about 2 and a half inch higher - much more comfortable and no problem for stability.
The weight is 49 lbs, the Old Town specification is more or less true. This is ok (and very good for poly boat), I can put it on my car without problems.
Good boat, I'm happy with it!
I am the happy new owner...
I am the happy new owner of an Old Town Discovery 119. I was already the nearly happy owner of a kayak, but the yak was not a comfortable ride when I tried to bring along my 74 lb dog. I also wanted my boat to be inexpensive, durable and fairly lightweight. Enter the 119.
I will point out a discrepancy I have noted - stats given on this site for this canoe say it weighs 43 pounds but on the manufacturers site the weight is currently listed as 49 lbs. Not a huge difference but still good to be aware of, I think.
The 119 as it comes is not perfect for my application, it is a bit of a tight squeeze for my pup and he wound up always being on my feet and constantly in the path of my double bladed paddles travel. I assumed this would be the case as I had read a review by a guy who wanted his boat for exactly the same thing as me(on the Dicks's website) but I wanted to try it as it came before I started putting extra holes in the gunwales. So, I am currently in the process of moving the front thwart up about a foot, which is a conservative beginning and I will take it from there to get it just right for us, moving the seat back only if we still need more room, or different balance.
The seat it comes with is now the woven bench seat and it sits pretty far down in the boat. So I am pretty sure you can disregard all the seat comments from many other reviews. It is nowhere near my yak in comfort but considering that we spend hours and hours out on the water it isn't really too bad. It paddles pretty easily. I don't have any trouble keeping it going pretty straight and it turns on a dime. I have already dragged it over messes of rocks in it's second adventure and the bottom is just scratched up.
I bought a stadium seat to strap on but I much prefer the plain seat without it when I am paddling. I got a great deal on the canoe through Sportsman's warehouse, it was on sale this fall. I basically got it about $200 under the list which is much better for me, for sure. I have already been messing around with it, I installed painters through the bow and stern and I installed lacing although I am not likely to ever do anything near fast water but gaze at it. It is much easier to get in and out of than the kayak for those of us who are not terribly coordinated. And as a new canoeist I could nearly drag my kids capsized 12 ft rec. kayak onto it in some kind of aggressive after falls waves/current, so I would call it very stable.
I think this will be a forever boat for me and I am looking forward to a great many adventures with it!
This is an update from a...
This is an update from a previous review that I did on the 08-04-2016. Again everything about this canoe is fine except the seat arrangement. As previously noted I reconfigured the seating with a successful reset and was wondering about how to arrange a proper portage system. My first thought was to put a removable yoke in the center point of the canoe and that was exactly the solution I first attempted. The install was quite simple. A couple of new holes in the gunnels amidships and a couple of large bolt tees for ease of removal and I was good to go. But here's the bonus. Because I had moved the seat back to the rear position of the original placement I have lots of room to kneel in front of the seat and not be obstructed while paddling or just resting while seated on the seat. Ergo, no need to remove the yoke while canoeing.
So pushing my rating from a 7 to an 8 and would even consider a 9 because of it's superb handling but doing all the mods holds me back from that. Could have been a 9 if original seating arrangement had been more practical for canoeing as opposed to kayaking.
I’ve owned my Discovery...
I’ve owned my Discovery 119 for almost 20 years. I use it mostly for fishing on lakes and rivers. It’s very stable, turns quickly and it can carry a ton of stuff. I even attach a small electric motor occasionally when I might be fighting wind while fishing. For years I have used a long, doubled-bladed paddle when traveling any distance with this boat; which is much more efficient than a single blade. I have the polyethylene model that weighs only 42 pounds. The boat is pretty much indestructible----it’s been stored outside since I got it and has only showed minor fading. I am about 5’ 7” and find the boat to be very comfortable but a taller person might find it cramped.
Canoe handles beautifully...
Canoe handles beautifully after seat modifications were made. Originally raised seat to gunnel level to enable my preferred kneeling position. Gives me more power in the stroke. But with the seat raised and kneeling in front of it, this throws off the centre of gravity of the canoe putting far too much weight forward for such a short/small canoe. After some jigging around I found that if I moved the seat back so that the front was attached were the back was originally this made the canoe sit perfectly on the water for my weight and size. (5'7" 175lbs). Problem then exists that there is no central yoke with which to portage this craft. Now if I install a yoke for the purpose of portaging, which I will frequently have to do, it will have to be removable in order to utilize the modified seat. No end to little issues. But I'll get that worked out eventually. Too bad the canoe designers didn't take that into consideration in the original design. Allowing these mods to be part of the design so that you could customize it to your own liking without adding holes and making other physical changes that can affect the aesthetics of this fine little canoe. Anyway it handles fine now that I've made the seat changes but still needs work to make it mine.
Stable enough if you know what you're doing but don't forget where you're at for a second. Tracks well enough for such a small canoe and handles great in tight spots.
Note: I also put a yoga type pad on the bottom to protect my "old" knees.
All in all I think we'll get along fine. But being Canadian I envy all these folks who paid as little as 300.00. Price in Canada is, well let's just say way more.
My main travels with this...
My main travels with this canoe are on the South Branch of the Potomac river in West Virginia. Have had it for over 12 years and never used it that much because I also have a Old Town Discovery 169. Last year I started to use it more often after not using it for a couple of years and the first time I got into it I fell right out of it! IT'S VERY TIPPY! Banged myself up pretty good on the rocks, so off to the emergency ward next day. The second time I got into it, I was going down the river, hit some pretty good size rapids, then a rock and you guessed it, out I went again. Didn't get hurt, but lost my paddle and a fishing rod. So, I started reading some of the reviews on this canoe and came away with one conclusion. I took the damn seat out and put in a low beach chair and ureka! life is good again. NO problems with this canoe, sit low, lowers the center of gravity, stabilizes the canoe better. But I'm still thinking about the new Discovery133 as a replacement.
I finally put this one in...
I finally put this one in the water! My first solo canoe, I was a little concerned about how it would handle and how I would handle it. I quickly fell in love with this boat! I was surprised at how agile this was, but it still tracks pretty decent. I'm betting it's way better than my first take on it.(My solo paddling technique needs a lot of work).
One complaint I have is the placement of the seat. It's way low and I felt I was sliding out of it. It looks like an easy enough fix though.
Overall it's a great boat for the money. I'm very pleased with it.
Great for rivers and...
Great for rivers and stream, great for fishing, and good all around water to go with. It is fun to do different waters.
This is a great solo canoe...
This is a great solo canoe for fishing or hunting small windy creeks like I do. I got mine cheep used and it looks 15+ years old, It has the old cane seat which split first trip out but I screwed plywood under and it works fine and is still comfy, also a new replacement is only $40 on amazon.
I love this canoe because I can easily car top it, and its even easier and quicker to throw in the 5 1/2 bed of my truck and secure with 3 tie downs. Its fairly light for a poly canoe and can easily be carried down steep, rough put-ins, I'm 5'6" and 120 pounds, also I can easily drag it fully loaded over gravel bars or grass to get around log jams, the Polly 3 hull is tough and does not scratch much, also it did not crack or split at all even when ice was forming on the hull and gunnels while duck hunting in December.
It's not the fastest boat and does not track well at all, I use 95% single blade paddle with a good J or C stroke and it does fine, I use a kayak paddle for fighting up stream in winter when I cannot afford the drag loss for a C stroke. It does not have the initial stability that my other two flat bottomed canoes have and can feel tipsy at first, but it can be leaned way over with proper balance and not dump you. I have no problems casting, shooting (it does rock a lot shooting broadside) or leaning over to get things from the water and have not been dumped yet.
Overall its its a tough, cheep boat that gets the job done and I don't feel bad when putting a few scratches in it.
I bought my Discovery 119...
I bought my Discovery 119 with the idea of having a lightweight solo canoe. It tracks pretty well and seems to be maneuverable even with the molded in keel. It is easily cartopped and can be carried short distances with one hand. This canoe is set up to be paddled with a double bladed paddle like a kayak, with your legs straight out in front of you. Raising the seat to try to kneel changed the center of gravity too much. I found that I need to stop and take breaks to stretch my legs more frequently than in a traditional canoe setup. If you like paddling kayaks, but want a canoe, this is the boat for you. If you want a traditional canoe it is not.
I have OT Guide119 from...
I have OT Guide119 from Dicks. Have been in it 10-12 times and I love it. I am 66 and 260#. I hit the water once getting in the canoe but that was my fault. It can give you a quick thrill if you move to fast but that is your fault, not the canoe. The seat is odd but I lowered the back about 1/4" and it has helped. I will probably go another 1/4". For the money it is great.
It's a deal! Best solo...
It's a deal! Best solo around for price. The seat does suck but that's all that sucks about it. I put a web seat in w 4" dowels. Put some foam in bottom to kneel on when hitting major Rapids. I use it in class 2 rivers and it handles great with a dale blade paddle. Putting in air bags in front and rear to help add to floatation. I own a Mohawk XL an Old Town Osprey a Jackson cost and this is my go to do all boat!
This is an update [from...
This is an update [from 2013-07-26] on my Old Town Discovery 119 that I had purchased from a friend of mine about two years ago. This canoe is much better since I had made the modification of lowering the seat roughly four inches below the factory position.The canoe is no longer tippy like it was when I first got it. With the Bending Branches Impression Solo paddle that I use I can spin on a dime. It is amazing how much difference the canoe acts since I lowered the seat. My brother wants to get the same canoe since he has seen mine in action.
This solo canoe is a...
This solo canoe is a little sweetie. I've paddled rec and touring kayaks for years, but this may become my favorite boat for casual outings. It is not fast, but it handles very well with a kayak paddle (minimum 250cm) and of course has oodles of space for gear and my size 13 feet. Keeps pace with rec kayaks easily. I think this would make a good fishing platform by adding the usual outfitting. I would characterize this boat as a great alternative for folks who just don't feel comfortable with a a rec kayak but want to get on the water nonetheless. I agree with other reviewers that this is an excellent downstream boat, but unlike other reviewers I believe this boat has sufficient initial stability for any paddler.
I suspect this boat will soon be phased out in favor of the Old Town NEXT, so try one and get one ASAP. (It's about half the price!) Dick's has a great deal online at the time of this writing.
Old Town is trying to turn...
Old Town is trying to turn their canoes into kayaks in this design. The seat gives about 3 inches of floor clearance and does not allow for kneeling. Since the seat is so low it is not set up to use a single blade paddle and has no foot pegs. After removing the seat and putting a piece of plywood in its place I was able to get about 7 inches of clearance and kneel and use a canoe paddle.
The boat does not track well in flat water and requires a j-stroke every stroke. It does turn quite well and should be good once I get into moving water. If the seat were raised much more it would put the center of gravity pretty high and might be tippy. I really wanted a solo canoe to paddle like a canoe, not this. It would help if Old Town offered a real canoe seat. Perhaps the Pack would be a better option, but it costs $400 more.
I traded my Mad River...
I traded my Mad River Journey 156 for a Discovery 119. the Journey was a barge, extremely stable but a workout to paddle alone. The 119 it's a great little boat light easy to load, plenty of room for my take and cooler. Initially I hated it. I thought it was too tippy but after falling out 3 times I realized I needed to get used to this boat. It was a big change but now that I'm used to it I love it.
I fish many small lakes where this boat shines. I use a single blade paddle and have no tracking issues unless I try to use too much power. Paddling nice and easy this boat sins right along. I cut down a Web seat to suit on the floor and use a sit backer on top of it. I've caught many fish from this boat and even had a monster bass pull me around a lake in it, what a blast. For reference I'm 6ft 2 340 lbs.
Give this boat a chance you will love it. I did move the seat forward using the original front holes for the back of the seat which helped trim a great deal. I only sit on the floor because I like to stretch out and sit cross legged. Once this one it's to beat up to float I will buy another. It's not a freighter so it will feel tippy until you get used to it. Can I stand up and fish? No but I'm not very coordinated. My buddy I fish with can, but he stands up in a kayak. That's not a problem with the boat, it's a proverb with me!
I've had this boat on the Ohio river with power boats all around and never felt like I was going to tip. You can't go wrong with this boat and for the price you have extra money to fish and or explore with it!
Approximately 4 years ago...
Approximately 4 years ago I submitted a review on the Discovery 119 and gave it a 10. This is an update to that review. I still say it's a 10 out of 10, especially for the price, although I would be curious to try the Old Town Pack to see whether there is a significant difference between the two which would justify the much higher cost of the Pack..Maybe the Pack would make me want to give up the 119!
After using the canoe a while I did change the seat to a tractor type saddle, hung on wooden dowels. I kept the seat from the 119 and last year put it in another canoe of ours (a square stern Old Town Predator). I like it in that canoe. I continue to use a double bladed paddle with the 119 and its still lots of fun to paddle.
Purchased the Discovery...
Purchased the Discovery 119 last summer, 2013. Wish I would have gotten one years ago, as it is a fun and functional solo canoe. In my case it was less than $500. Made of the Three Layer Polyethylene that Old Town uses on several of their canoes, and it seems to be pretty tough stuff. The canoe has scratches on the outside surface but so far no gouges or serious blemishes from the gravel bars and rocky banks of the Current and Jacks Fork rivers and a couple of other lakes and rivers here in Missouri. It is an agile and stable canoe that handles well in narrow swift areas and riffles of rivers and tracks alright for its length on open lake waters. I can't really say that the canoe is "tippy" as some have said, but I did flip it once when it was new leaning out to get a piece of trash on a river clean up.
If you wear synthetics, this seat is too slick for comfort. I have lowered the back of the seat (angle) with a few washers and added a Harmony Techlift Seat Pad, and took the seatback off and reattached it out side the bracket with zip ties, between seat and thwart. The original seat design is a little suspect, in my opinion. I have used both a regular paddle and a kayak double paddle and I prefer the kayak paddle by far, it makes the canoe way more maneuverable in swift water.
I am really fond of this canoe, knowing what I know about it at this time, I think it would be worth the full suggested price of $649.
This is a great little...
This is a great little canoe and based on its performance so far mine will be seeing a fair amount of use. But, I'll have to disagree with the suggestions favoring a kayak paddle when using this boat. I also own a kayak and have used the K paddle with my Kaynoe/Disco 119 (they are the same basic boat). If given the choice I'll stick with a canoe paddle for the Kaynoe. The only time the K paddle has an edge is if sitting up high in the seat, but this also tends to give up some control and stability. I like to keep low (knees on floor whenever possible) and that position gives better clearance, the paddling motion is less visible (an advantage when hunting stream edges) and reduces water running down into the boat from the K paddle's higher angle (which happens even with the rubber rings on the K shaft).
To each his own I guess, but for all you folks not digging your canoe paddles just send'em to me, I'll put'em to good use.
I really like this canoe....
I really like this canoe. This canoe is tracks well and is very easy to turn. I have used this canoe with a kayak paddle and a canoe paddle both with good results. The only thing I would change is the seat. I would like to have a regular wooden canoe seat.
This one is a keeper for...
This one is a keeper for me. If you want something solo that is easy to get into and out of, under fifty pounds, under $500, and can displace almost 500lbs then you may want to look at this.
The seat sucks. It's the plastic Old Town canoe seat that you always feel you're sliding out of...but it is very low in the canoe and really adds stability. I took out the seat, and installed a couple of 2x4s cut to length of the mounts as lowering brackets and some Home Depot oak planks as a seat. This allows you to mount whatever cushioned back rest seat you want. It works very, very well.
A lot of early reviews say this boat was "tippy" I think that maybe the early boats had seats that were to high in the boat. I've noticed that there are YouTubes of aftermarket seats that are high in the boat. This canoe works best if you are sitting down in it.
Your Paddle....Don't mess with a regular canoe paddle. Use a kayak paddle. A canoe paddle is nice and traditional, but it's extra work with this boat. The only problem with a yak paddle is you get water in the boat. Your stroke is going to sweep the paddle past the drip ring inside the boat. Maybe a longer paddle will fix this (my next purchase.) With a Kayak paddle, this boat is very easy to turn, but tracks as good as any 12 foot yak I've seen.
It's very very durable. I believe it is the exact same hull material as the other length discovery canoes. Discovery's are commonly used as rental boats.
I thought the seat was a...
I thought the seat was a bit tippy also. The Disco 119 is a nice canoe for the money, but I did remove the seat (saving weight), and bought a low sitting beach chair, complete with cup holders. I am now contemplating upgrading to a beach chair with an umbrella (sail).
LOVE this canoe AFTER I...
LOVE this canoe AFTER I lowered the seat. The seat as is stinks. It sits too flat and you feel like you are going to slide off of it. I dropped the seat down by 2" at the front and 4" in the back. It is very comfortable now. I put foot pegs in it too which made it a lot better.
This boat tracks pretty straight overall. Due to the length, this thing turns pretty well too. It won't win any races, but it works well for river paddling. Out of all the boats that I have owned or paddled, this one is one of the best. For the price, this thing is great. It can haul a lot of gear. I am about 280lbs and this thing holds me and any gear that I have with ease.
I highly recommend this boat. Dicks sells an identical version of this boat called the Kaynoe. It says its a field and stream, but it is exactly the same as the Discovery 119. I got the Kaynoe there as a blem for $300. One of the best deals for one of the best boats out there. DO IT! You will NOT be disappointed that you did.
I usually use sit-on-tops...
I usually use sit-on-tops but came across an Old Town 119 - I have to say its very good. I use it to fish from and find it stable and nice and light for transporting. It's not the fastest canoe but it makes up for that in other ways. It can be paddled with a kayak paddle if you need to be a bit quicker.
I have had two Coleman...
I have had two Coleman (15', 16') and an Old Town Penobscot 17'. The Discovery 119 is my first solo - I have nothing but positive remarks. I tested several boats the day I bought it. I went back and forth between several kayaks and this canoe. I am a canoe guy. It gives me more options of sitting and hauling gear as well as gives my dog unlimited seating options. Lastly it is lighter than any Kayak I have looked it (Sit in and SOT). Portage is a snap! Being in this canoe puts me in my happy place!
I am amazed at how many...
I am amazed at how many folks who apparently can't paddle or are just inexperienced complain about one of the best canoes on the water. This little gem is both stable and performs with all the grace of a kayak when handled properly. The seat is always a personal size issue but the boat is a charm. I have a Loon 111 that is my other boat and if I want to get somewhere in a hurry she's the one I go to but the Discovery is a great canoe and I wouldn't be without one.
I have had this canoe 3...
I have had this canoe 3 years, purchased locally during a season-end clearance for just under $400. I immediately noticed a need for a longer kayak style paddle, since it had operator induced tracking difficulties. A 270 cm bending branches double end paddle cured that.
Like most people here I had issues with the seat; not horrible, but not comfortable and too high. But my biggest complaint was that the butt cheek molded sockets did not allow left or right trim adjustments for wind or waves. So I ordered a 4-inch drop dowel set from northwest canoe supply, and a wood web seat, and installed it where the other one was. Then after trying it, I moved it back 4 inches father aft, to help with front-rear trim and tracking, now it is perfect for me. But I love to tinker and make things my own, even if something is mostly ok already like a lousy molded plastic seat on a weird metal space age frame.
I give it a 9/10 because it floats this 200 lb paddler, plus gear, in less than 3 inches of water. It is durable, reasonably light (40 lbs after seat mod), and very affordable. It maneuvers well, tracks ok, and handles wind and waves safely. It is stable initially and when leaned. It is easy to modify if you want, and the polylink hull is really tough. Good inexpensive solo boat for a brief fishing trip and a week out on the river. Get this boat and a $150 paddle, and you are still into it for less than half or a quarter of what most solo canoes sell for, and you will have a reliable, durable, fun, and useful boat that you will use a lot and enjoy for a long time. Mainly, I love that it gets me out anytime!
Bought the Dick's version...
Bought the Dick's version in camo (Guide 119). I bought this canoe for fishing, and it is perfect for me. I do not have any stability problems, in fact if the water is calm I stand up and adjust my clothing with no problems. I use it for fishing. I did buy inflatable seat pads from ebay though, as the plastic hurt my arse after a few hours of fishing.
Just got this little canoe...
Just got this little canoe at Dicks (426.00) and it's great. I'm 68 and it's Light enough to load by myself in back of pickup. Just enough room for me, my small cooler, pack, tree stand, and bow/gun. Most of roads in local State Forest (Okaloacoochee Slough) closed due extremely high water. Made getting around easy and safe. You can get into places the bigger boats/canoes can't.
It is easy to load and unload on the roof rack. Handled…
It is easy to load and unload on the roof rack. Handled fine and I stayed dry after canoeing a while.
It's durable due to the three-layer roto-molded polyethylene construction.
OldTown is a large-scale enterprise, reliable quality and good after-sales service. Years of worry free service.
The seats are contoured and backrests are adjustable so it is comfortable to sit on while canoe fishing, a 5-year-old girl's weight on my legs, not tired, very practical.
Mine has been down multiple rivers, the products of Old Town tend to be highly durable. Handles great! stable on the water.
Great all-around boat for the solo paddler
This is a heavy canoe for its size, perhaps because it's built from premium materials.
Almost every thing is fixed.The only thing I might change is the seat
Overall: The trusted brand, the trusted Discovery series, the trusted canoe.
Wonderful little canoe. As...
Wonderful little canoe. As a petite lady, 5'4 130 lbs I can load this canoe by myself on my little two door car (don't even need a rack just foam blocks and straps to secure). In the water a very versatile canoe handling anything from fishing to class 3 rapids.
Takes some adjustment, figuring out how to best manage your own weight and paddling strategy but overall I have not had problems with stability. I often alternate between sitting on the seat and kneeling depending on where I'm paddling. Agreed that double sided kayak paddle greatly improves ease of maneuverability however a good J stroke will be sufficient.
Awesome little boat
I love this canoe. One of...
I love this canoe. One of the original hybrids, that have become so popular. Sold for years as Kay-Noe at Dicks Sporting Goods (part kayak part canoe) for the price nothing compares. I gave it a 9 because the seat does get a little uncomfortable after about an hour. However with the addition of a set of Wilderness Systems foot braces and a longer double kayak paddle you have the ultimate hybrid for a fraction of the price of anything else out there that offers as much room or performance as this boat does.
Bought this one person...
Bought this one person canoe 3 yrs ago. I'm very impressed with it. This canoe tracks very well and is easy to paddle with a kayak paddle. It is also stable. The weight is under 40 #s and makes it so easy to load/unload from a roof top.
I've used this for fishing in ponds, lakes and slow rivers. It is perfect for these type waters and can handle 1 and 2 class rapids with ease. This is a tough and durable canoe and at a price of around $400, you can't go wrong.
I rated this canoe at an 8. The reason is because of the seat. The seat is not comfortable and feels like it is tilted forward. I've tried all kinds of cushions and the most comfortable I've found is a throwable floatation cushion. If I had it to do all over, I would buy it again!!
I bought this canoe from a...
I bought this canoe from a friend of mine.At first I had a problem with the canoe because it was too tippy.I took some one inch pvc pipe,cut four pieces six inches long and replaced the three inch dowel rods on the seat.Now there is no more tippiness.I love using this canoe now.The canoe is at least twenty years old and is in perfect shape.I use a Bending Branches Impression Solo paddle and could not ask for a better combination for my needs.
I had my maiden voyage on...
I had my maiden voyage on my new Discovery 119 today and I must say that it far exceeded my expectations. First I noticed how easy it was to get into off of the dock. No uneasy tippy feeling that so many other kayaks and canoes are plagued with when boarding. Upon paddling, I was instantly impressed with the primary stability, far better than any sit-in kayak I've paddled, and I've paddled lots. The speed and ease of paddling was wonderful, and it even had good glide for such a short boat. I was able to easily stand up and cast, and even use my paddle while standing like I was on a SUP.
I had lowered the rear of the seat 3/4 of an inch before launching, and it made the seat much better than expected after reading all the gripes about the seat. I only paddled for an hour, and this is my first solo canoe, but it is far more stable and paddles so much better than expected, that I can't see why anyone would want a more expensive canoe. I've paddled and Old Town Pack extensively, and with the exception of the 119 being heavier, it is better everywhere else for $600 less than the PACK. And FAR more stable.
I bought a used one in...
I bought a used one in March and love it! I called Old Town and it is exactly the same as the Discovery just a different color made exclusively for Dick's Sporting Goods.
I mainly use a long kayak paddle to get around on flat water. It handles great with that paddle. I did have to buy a longer one to keep the drip off my legs. When floating rivers I use a regular canoe paddle. The boat is really stable, I have no idea where the other reviewers get the idea it is tippy. I am really impressed with the stability and have had no close calls.
I use the boat to fish and tour. I really prefer a canoe for fishing due to the higher walls, they seem to keep the gear in better. no really fast water use, but it is not built for that. I will be using it to crab out of on Maryland this month. I expect it to work great for that too.
I really think if you are looking for a solo canoe this is a great boat: light weight, durable, and the price is right
Got my 119 at Dicks. I...
Got my 119 at Dicks. I have other canoes, but this is my first solo. I agree that the seat isn't the most comfortable, but with a seat pad from the Kittery Trading Post, it's not to bad. I love everything else about it. It may not be as light as an Old Town Pack, but cost a lot less. A great boat for the money.
I bought the Old Guide 119...
I bought the Old Guide 119 recently at Dick's Sporting Goods. Used it once on a local pond with a single blade. Wx was fairly windy, and the single blade was adequate. This is a great quiet water boat; stable and tracks fairly well with the single blade. A long kayak paddle would bring out the best of this boat on open water.
For me, the 43 lbs (actually 46.2 lbs) was a chore to get on and off the Yakima racks on my pop-up truck camper. I just turned 65, and it's not a boat I want to carry very far to the water. I think this would be a good boat for a younger guy/gal, or for someone who didn't have a high lift to the racks. An open pickup bed would work good, too.
Returned the OT Guide 119 to Dick's, and got an Old Town Pack Angler at Kittery Trading Post (Maine) the other day. (Just got back from the Pack's maiden voyage on Harpswell Sound. Look for that review).
Old Town makes great...
Old Town makes great products! I know this because I have purchased several canoes (Katahdin, Discovery, etc.) from them in the past and have had nothing but great reviews and experiences.
I recently purchased the Guide 119 (Camo) and have to say that with all my experiences on the water (lakes, rivers, bays, etc.) over the years I felt like a novice in this canoe! I felt like I was on a carnival ride the moment I sat down in it. I'm not a big person (5'6"; 170 lbs.) but just could not feel comfortable reaching for anything (tackle box, rod, fishing net, etc.) during my time on the water. Within an hour and a half on my maiden voyage, I was in the water with all my gear floating inside the canoe! It happened so fast that I had no time to recover from the top heaviness feeling I had just before entering the water! I swam to shore, emptied the water out, filled all my gear, and headed for the boat ramp. Loaded the canoe on the car and headed back to the store where I purchased this and asked for a refund.
This OT Guide 119 canoe is made of quality materials, is very light to handle on/off the car for one person but have to say that I was not impressed with the handling of this unit on the water. Not many folks have spoken of this in their reviews but I actually purchased this unit based on the entire positive (10 of 10, etc.) feedback that people gave. Stable is mentioned in the product description! I beg to differ!
Buyer's: do yourself a favor and go out and purchase a little bigger canoe than the Guide 119. You will not regret it!
I read so many people...
I read so many people complaining about this seat. No, it's not the greatest seat set up but instead of moving up, down, all around... install a nice sidelock foot brace system and it ties you nicely to the boat. for what you can pick these up for at the some of these big sporting stores under 400.00 you have one helluva nice little boat for fishing or just spending the day on the water with your pooch and lotsa gear. GREAT BUY
Well lets all remember...
Well lets all remember this boat is a $400 Dicks special so for all of you comparing it to a wenonah or something like that should probably realize that maybe some people don't have 1,100$ to sink in a weekend toy. With that being said here's my opinion.
Stability- id rate stability a 7 until you get used to how lose the boat is in the water. Like all round bottom slightly rocked canoes its gonna have some tip to it but i took it down brashears today and snagged up sideways on a branch in current and held it upright and straightened it back out.
Tracking- id rate tracking about a 5 because your gonna be doing a little work to keep it nosing forward and paddling to keep going because it doesn't carry a lot of momentum to keep going but in twist and bends of our Kentucky creeks the boat controls like a kayak in fact i was able to run shallower water then my buddy's whitewater kayak.
Some notes to think of is although the seat seems comfy it is in fact not comfy at all and a kayak paddle is almost a must for this boat. So i would have to say overall this boat was perfect for what i wanted it for and for the price as well. In fact were headed to elkhorn this weekend to try it on some class 3 rapids.
Just got one of these for...
Just got one of these for my birthday, took it out today with my son and what a pleasure it was. He has an OT Otter (I also have one) and with the increased weight capacity, I was able to ride in places where I would normally have been walking. Seems very stable and fast with a 2 blade paddle. I doubt that I will ever use my otter much now. The original owner had added home made foot braces which worked very good. Very happy with this boat, can't wait to use it more.
I am a novice solo paddler...
I am a novice solo paddler so I don't have much to compare it to. I bought this model because I like to camp alone. This model can carry my tent, sleeping bag, and cooler with ease. The kayaks I looked at seemed like they were tight on space for the above items without careful lashing (Of course)
It is light and easy to load up alone and be put in water quickly. When I hit some areas that could not be navigated, I led her from the bank like a calf on rope. Problem solved. I would not want to try this on really rough runs alone.
It tracks well enough for me and I can handle it on small creeks and calm river with a dual paddle.
I did lower the seat four inches with long stainless steel bolts and plastic spacers. It helped to stabilize the load.
This canoe fits my needs and I am glad I bought it
bought the Disco 119...
bought the Disco 119 couple months ago. enjoying it. seat is different for sure. I added foot pegs and a thin pad. solved my issue. Maneuvers well and tracks good. It's the third canoe to the fleet and would do it again. its a good compromise between a kayak and larger canoe.
Got the Guide 119 from...
Got the Guide 119 from Dicks which is the exact same boat as the Disco 119, only $150 less retail because of Dicks volume national purchasing.
Boat is adequate for easy lake paddles.
Much has been said about the seat, which I lowered about an inch and tilted back by using longer spacers in the rear. With a seat pad I find no reason to replace the seat.
Everybody agrees: The seat...
Everybody agrees: The seat isn't comfortable. Tolerable for an hour or so maybe. I took mine out and replaced it with a $10 steel and canvas beach chair from Walmart. Much more comfortable with the added benefit of lightening the empty canoe a bit.
The boat is stable. You can move it with a single paddle and a J-stroke but not against wind and/or tide. A double paddle is the way to go. Out in the bay it handled boat wakes just fine.I bought it to fish mostly fresh water, ponds, small lakes and creeks. I wanted a boat that I could easily handle myself. I would love a $2000 24 lb kevlar canoe but for the money this is the perfect boat for that. Sweet!
I love this boat. I read...
I love this boat. I read the reviews over and over and they are accurate when it concerns the seat. It's terrible. Get rid of it. I swapped in a webbed seat, moved it 2 inches forward with no drop and I'm very happy with it.
Is this the most stable canoe? No. It is not! There was a learning curve for me. A double bladed paddle is a must for any length of slow moving water, as the keel is way small and really pointless, a flat bottom would be more appropriate. I'm 6'4" 235lbs, so I'm not the normal sized paddler for a short canoe. However I carry about 40lbs of gear with me and with my dry bag under my seat and my cooler tethered to the front thwart, I can lean back in my seat and kick my feet over the sides in calm water with no stability issues. For anything over a class I rapid I prefer to kneel for extra stability. I've also added a 48 inch float bag in the front and 30 inch in the back (will likely go to a 48 inch in the rear next spring), just to keep the extra water that will crash over my bow out of the boat and keep it easier to handle when I take on water. I routinely float a river section with multiple class II and III rapids. Can't wait to add some camping gear for our overnight trips.
CONS: Seat, keel, stability.
PROS: Weight, maneuverability, price
I bought this boat after...
I bought this boat after reading all the reviews. I was hoping the problem with the seat could be handled easily and it was. Because I'm a kayaker I'm familiar with foot pegs. I went for one paddle and decided that the foot pegs were the only thing required to make this into a great boat. I added adjustable foot pegs made by Wilderness Systems that I ordered from Austin Kayak in just a few minutes. It made all the difference in the world. Now with my feet braced against the pegs I can paddle all day without sliding out of the seat. (Old Town needs to experiment with adding the pegs.) After about a year of paddling the canoe I'm glad to say I'm VERY pleased with it. It's easy to transport and launch, easy to paddle with a kayak paddle and gives me plenty of room to take my dog with me. Love it – recommend it.
I bought this canoe...
I bought this canoe specifically for using on a small Class I-II creek with lots of gravel bars to hop over. Being an almost exclusive kayaker for the past 15 years, I've found that jumping out of a canoe to pull across a gravel bar, is significantly easier than a kayak, so this is my 3rd try with a canoe.
Tried 14' canoe, and it was just too burdensome to try to turn in fast water, close quarters, etc..so decided this time to try the Discovery 119. First thing is of course that if you're going to use a canoe paddle, you'd better have a solid/comfortable J stroke, and be in no hurry. The side-to-side drift is terrible if you don't, and you certainly won't get anywhere in any significant head-on current. As stated by many here, a proper length, style kayak paddle is almost essential with this boat, or you'll work yourself to death, in wind, and current especially. To it's credit, this canoe did track surprisingly well on a glide on flat water with no wind. Primary stability was also better than I'd hoped considering what I'd heard about these canoes. The secondary stability however is as stated by most, and leaves a lot to be desired. It can be fished out of, but takes some getting used to.
The seat, although reasonably comfortable for the first 1hr., became increasingly uncomfortable after that.
I bought this canoe used, but like new for about half of the new price. I never would have paid the new price knowing what I know now about the canoe, although since I got a great deal on it, I have a place for it specifically for what I bought it for, only to run gravel bar creeks. It seems to have plenty of room for camping out of for a night, or two, and I'm confident that I'll be pleased with it.
I find this canoe better than most, and for the price, it's a real bargain if you can find it at a significantly less used price. I do not recommend this boat for flatwater, unless you're in an almost no wind/sheltered location. Otherwise, it's a nice little boat. I strongly recommend making sure your kayak paddle is of sufficient length, and has drip rings to keep water out of the boat.
After my fishing from a...
After my fishing from a SOT for close to a year, I decided it was time to add another boat so friends could come along. Due to price and reviews, I ended up choosing the Dick's version of the Discovery 119. At 43 lbs. I can carry, load, and launch it by myself with ease. On the water, it responds and tracks like a champ. The carrying capacity allows plenty of cargo for a multi-night camping trip. I primarily fish smaller rivers with limited rapids.
As others have stated, this canoe works best with a double bladed paddle. My only complaint, like so many others, is the seat. I remedied this problem with the purchase of a lightly padded plastic seat and a little ingenuity. It is now the most comfortable canoe I have ever ridden in and fishing/floating all day is not a problem. I have found this canoe to be very stable. More often than not, I fish from a standing position.
I was so impressed with this boat that shortly after buying it, I sold my SOT to buy another 119. I would recommend this boat to anyone. For $399 plus a seat upgrade, I don't think you can beat this boat for solo fishing/ camping/ floating.
after months of reviewing...
after months of reviewing solo canoes online I went with the camo version of the 119 from Dicks. I just couldn't justify spending the money on the lighter pack canoe. I must say I have only paddled the guide 147 which is a beast solo. I use mine for transportation for deer hunting. I needed a good solo boat for when my partner could not go. The 119 was very stable for my and I'm fairly new to paddling a canoe. I use a j stroke and a single paddle. Never felt tippy and was easy to portage vs my tandem guide. I have no complaints about the seat. Great boat for the money. when deer season is over you best bet that I will be fishing out of this fine little canoe.
An update on the seat/canoe.
I finally made a new seat out…
An update on the seat/canoe.
I finally made a new seat out of some varnished 3/4" plywood and installed it using the original metal seat brackets. I used longer bolts and some EMT tubing as spacers (with appropriate washers, etc), dropping the seat 4 1/2" in the back and 3 1/2" in the front.
Finally took it out yesterday for a trial run and was very impressed. I used a seat flotation cushion against the thwart for a back rest, sat either cross legged or straight legged and was comfortable. No tippy feeling at all, and it would really move using the long kayak paddle.
I also bought the Guide...
I also bought the Guide 119 from Dick's sporting goods knowing I was going to change the seat. I bought a cane seat and hardware from Austin Kayak for $47 with free shipping. Using a J-stroke I had no problem keeping the 119 straight. With a 240cm kayak paddle this canoe will really move. My only concern is that the the material the canoe is made of becomes very thin and flexible as it nears the gunwale. I am told by Old Town this is normal. I have to assume the reason is to keep the weight down. I use this canoe on up to class 2 water. I'm not a fan of the keel so I plan to install skid plates. This canoe is a great alternative to a kayak and with the upgrades I still have less in it than the Discovery 119.
I am very disappointed in...
I am very disappointed in Old Town's view of their products and customers.
I bought a new Guide 119 from Dick's (no try out) several months ago. One trip on the water and I couldn't stay in the plastic seat. Slid right out. Read all the reviews and tried several things. Finally took the seat out and figured I would just sit on a cushion. Realize now that I have had the canoe for several months and only had it out for one trial run. Since then, it has been sitting in my garage while I tried to get the time to obtain things to try. Missed the spring fishing.
Last week OT sent me an email to complete an on-line customer satisfaction review. Other than the seat, I like the boat, but after completing the survey I had to ask myself WHY, after buying a brand new canoe from a supposedly experienced canoe maker, was I having to spend my time trying to make a seat that would work? I called OT. Their response was that they had never heard of a seat issue on those canoes and that I must be the only one having such a problem. The only options they offered were to buy a woven seat and bolt kit from them for around $100, or take the boat back to where I bought it for a refund (over 500 miles one way).
One would think that an outfit that has been making canoes a long time would know what makes a good seat. Well, I wasn't such a big deal until they asked for my opinion. After talking to them and finding out that they don't really give a rat's @$$ I got kind of worked up.
I'll fix the seat myself, but I'll go out of my way to never spend another dime on an Old Town product or anything from their parent company.
By the way, I have been paddling canoes for over 30 years, but this is my first, and probably last, experience with OT.
Great little boat!
I have experience with many different canoes and currently own…
Great little boat!
I have experience with many different canoes and currently own a Disco 158 as well. This is my first solo, but I have borrowed a OT Pack before. I have the "Guide 119" molded in camo from Dick's. It is in fact the Discovery 119. Best $400 ever spent in this sport.
I find it tracks really well on flat water with a reasonable J-stroke (even better with a 5 yr.old sitting in front of me). I tried a kayak paddle on the river today and was really impressed with how quickly it will scoot up river for a canoe.
I've attached some bungee rigging for storage and paddle keepers. I also am using a 1.5 lb folding anchor on a 24ft retractable dog leash. It holds well in the current and the leash keeps the floor clean and the rope free from tangles. A rope cleat secures things as to not put too much stress on the leash holder.
Best fishing boat for solo or Dad and 5 yr. old yet.
In a few weeks I plan to add some DIY outriggers with Scotty rod holders so I'll be able to stand up and sight fish on the river with a fly rod.
I can't wait to take this one out for multi-day trip.
Great little canoe. I am...
Great little canoe. I am over 300lbs and it floats me just fine. It tracks well and glides faster than I wanted in some sections. It handles rapids well and only took water when I got sideways below the rocks with water coming over them. It then began to pour into the boat. I just laughed and took a swim. I should have approached the rapid faster and more straight on. A kayak paddle is a definite must and I thought I would hate it. It seems heavier than 43lbs but that is probably due to the length. The seat needs to be fixed with better hardware rather than rivets for big guys, but that is a $5 fix. I have paddled everything from whitewater canoes(hate them) to the Colemans, Grummans, MichiCraft, and Old Towns (the Tripper is my favorite). This one is as good as any of those and doesn't steer like a battleship when solo. I prefer it to a Kayak due to load carrying capacity.
I bought this canoe after...
I bought this canoe after seeing it sitting outside a 'Northern' Store in Sioux Lookout Ontario. It was s surprise seeing an Old Town canoe at this location. The price was $649 Cdn.
I looked at this site for reviews and what I saw made me decide to buy it. Thanks to those who reviewed it therefore!
I gave it a 10 as I am on a lake which can get rough at times. I'm used to a 16 foot kayak and this canoe is quite stable compared to my kayak. I was prepared to have to change the seat given the reviews but the seat location is perfect as far as I'm concerned, but then I use a kayak paddle, not a canoe paddle. The first kayak paddle I used was a bit short (230 centimetres). Am now using a paddle now that is 250 centimetres and it is a better fit.
It was a lucky find in that I had considered buying a solo canoe years ago but then my back started giving me problems. This solo canoe, allowing for the use of the kayak paddle means that my back is okay. On a big lake with a kayak paddle this canoe is a joy! It bobs in the big waves like a cork and is extremely stable. It's not fast, but having a good paddle helps to make it as fast as it can be. Synchronicity?.... I wasn't looking for this canoe but it appeared before me.
I have the Dick's version...
I have the Dick's version "kay-noe" which described before is a Discovery 119.
Overall it's a good small and extremely cheap boat. Is it even remotely close to a $2600 Bell? No, BUT...can I throw it in the back of the pickup, scratch it and feel good that I am just using this $300 boat to it's limits? One big YES.
I use a double paddle to go up river (not too swift) and a single back down. It's really tough to J stroke this canoe, and a C stroke doesn't work either. You can move this canoe best with a longer double paddle. Correction strokes just stop this canoe dead in its tracks, it's just too short.
The seat is terrible as well. It was too high to start and the backrest was taken off within minutes of purchase. I modified the seat numerous times and ended up just tearing it out. I sit/kneel on a large yoga block which works out well.
I also fashioned my own thwart for it that attaches to the gunwales, which makes it a ton easier to portage. Make one if you want or just drag this beast around. Did I mention it's cheap? Ha.
I just purchased my Disco...
I just purchased my Disco 119 from Dicks Sporting good for around $350.00. Reading all the reviews about the stability issues I was a bit concerned. But they are all wrong. This gem is a stable little canoe. I even stood up in it with no problems. I agree the seat is tragic! But I will be making some modifications.
I use a single paddle and have had no issues, even in heavy wind. A "J" stroke is a must. I found that once you got going the tracking greatly improved. As a 42 yo paddler tired of lugging around my disco 169 this is a breath of fresh air. I will say that trying to carry this canoe around on your shoulder gets old real quick. I made a carry yolk that slips on and off when needed and it was a great improvement.
For the money you will not find a better solo canoe out there period...
I pick up my disco 119 at...
I pick up my disco 119 at Sportsmans outfitters in Dothan Ala. yesterday. After reading the reviews, I lowered the seat 3 inches. I also made a thwart and moved the forward thwart 6 inches to the rear so my large dry bag would fit. I installed small bungees fore and aft to hold the painters when underway and installed a bungee on the rear thwart to hold rain gear etc. I ordered and received a 102 inch Mohawk break down paddle with the "t" grip adapter set (makes each half a single paddle).
Today I took it to a fish pond and tried it empty, I could stand up in it, I also leaned it to the gunnels and never went over. I then loaded it with enough gear for a week long trip, It was great, and handled great. I am looking forward to my first river trip next week.
I give this canoe a 10 because it is really stable I stood up in it loaded and empty with no problem and I actually tried to dump it to see how far it would go. It handles easily, especially with a double paddle. The single with a "c" stroke takes a little more work but it is manageable. I will use the double paddle on the slow rivers and use the single in tight places.
I bought this canoe summer...
I bought this canoe summer 0f '09 from Dick's for $399 on sale. It is badged "Guide" on the hull but it is the Disco 119. I have canoed and kayaked off and on over the years. This is my first solo. After using a while I lowered the seat 4" and moved it 4" forward. Before it was somewhat delicate but now very stable. I use a single mostly, but for speed a double, and have no problem keeping up with 11' and 12' yaks on lakes. It is more maneuverable on rivers than the same yaks. I can stand up in it on flat water, no wind, but right now it is just a bit too delicate to pole up a river. I use this more than any other boat I have. Learn to paddle with a single blade and you will have no problems. Very nice boat.
I bought the Kay-noe...
I bought the Kay-noe version of the Disco 119 late last winter at Dicks for $400.00.
I've been canoeing for around 20 years, and at the time also owned an old Sawyer Guide and a 14' Wenonah tandem. I've used it mainly on small lakes, but have done some class II creeks with it. With no problems.
Like most folks are saying, the seat is awful. I removed it and installed a Mad River web conversion seat smack in the middle and lowered it around 3 inches. That took care of both the stability and paddling problems. I wouldn't even consider using a single paddle with this boat except for maneuvering around when I'm fishing (great little fishing canoe). I've a 9 foot Shaw & Tenny double canoe paddle that cost damned near as much as the canoe and is worth every penny. By placing the seat midships, my paddle reaches to the bow and allows me a long, easy stroke. I can flat move that canoe. Had a couple of kids in kayaks decide to race me last Sunday, and they lost. I was a bit bigger and stronger though, but not by much.
The canoe does feel a bit unstable for the first few minutes until I bond with it, then it's no problems. I don't understand people climbing into something that narrow and then complaining about instability. Buy a rowboat. It's a canoe for heaven's sakes. Ended up giving the old Sawyer away, and while I love the Wenonah, that 40 lbs(different seat) and really good performance with that great paddle made it my goto boat this past summer. Between this one and the Wenonah, I'm having a hard time justifying another....but I will:).
I just bought the Kay-Noe,...
I just bought the Kay-Noe, which is actually the Old Town Discovery 119 per the owner's manual. I took it out yesterday for the first time and really enjoyed my time on the water. I bought a kayak paddle, 230cm, which worked pretty good but could use maybe a 240cm or 250cm. Kayak paddling seemed to be the way to go. I found the seat placement to be just about perfect and had no trouble. The boat tracks well too...I didn't have much wind yesterday but a few breezes with which the boat worked seemingly great! I spent about 3 hours on the water at which point the actual plastic seat seemed to get a bit uncomfortable, just needs a pad or a little modification. No worries. I leaned back most of the time and paddled away covering the extent of the reservoir I was exploring with ease. It could easily be used for fishing...I am bringing my tackle on the next trip. It is best launched like a kayak. Get in on a beach and shimmy yourself out into the water and enjoy!!! Sláinte!!
Well I also lowered seat...
Well I also lowered seat about 5 inches, also moved it forward 6 inches. I bought a new folding seat from Cabellas. The seat was the only problem with the boat.
I'm 6'5" 280 lbs and the boat is very stable. Best little boat out there. It tracks very well, easy to fish from, and I use double ended paddle. To be honest I don't see me using my larger canoe at all. I do have a kayak but this is a lot better. Buy this little boat and have some fun... change the seat though.
I was looking for a...
I was looking for a relatively light solo canoe short enough to be carried in my pickup and able to be paddled with a double paddle. The 119 fills the bill. Immediately after buying it and before putting it into water, I lowered the seat, 4 inches in the back and 3 inches in the front. That provides a degree of rake that prevents you from sliding forward. I found no need to move the seat forward, although 1-3 inches might not hurt.
On the water, the 119 felt very stable and seaworthy. I paddled it in heavy winds the first day without difficulty. In a calm cove, the boat was a joy to fish from, with plenty of space for tackle.
The main problem with the canoe is the seat, which I would give a rank of 0, or minus 0 if possible. It is the worst designed seat I have ever encountered in 30 years of boating--a complete disaster. Here's what is wrong with the seat:
1. Positioned too high making for instability.
2. Bottom of seat is completely horizontal with no rake.
3. Seat bottom is about 4 inches too short, providing no leg support.
4. The back of the seat is rounded, giving support only where the back touches the backrest--with no low or high support.
5. The backrest does not begin until the first few inches from the bottom.
6. The backrest will not fold neatly down on the lower seat.
7. The backrest will not recline more than about 90 degrees.
8. Seat is too heavy.
With seat modifications, however, and using a double paddle, I was very pleased. It is the boat I have been looking for.
Although the seat is a monster, it can be improved 90% and made useable by lowering it as described and increasing the rake. I will probably remove it at some point and build my own seat.
Wow...what a lot of...
Wow...what a lot of different evaluations of the Disco 119. I believe it is in the synergy of the paddler with the boat whether you like it or not. In other words, some call it art, to others it is just a painting, I guess. I found the Disco 119 to be exceptionally stable and very maneuverable: a rare combination. I run Class IV-V whitewater in an open canoe so of course it feels stable. But I rec race 19' solos, too, and I find the later far more difficult. To each his own, I love the 119 for its RAISON D'ETRE.
After being in the market...
After being in the market for a solo canoe that I could use fishing area rivers, I ended up purchasing a twice-used Old Town Discovery 119K. After paddling the almost new canoe on an area river, I was happy with it, but felt I would be more comfortable paddling the canoe kneeling from just in front of the back thwart. I removed the seat and fashioned a middle thwart of light but sturdy oak that I finished to match the existing thwarts. I installed the thwart in the rear seat mountings and finished by gluing knee padding in the bottom between the thwarts "whitewater style." Long story short, I paddle the boat in fairly swift rivers kneeling between the rear and middle thwart and couldn’t be happier with the performance of this nimble little boat. Too bad Old Town halted production. But if you find a used Discovery 119k and don’t mind a bit of modification, I really recommend you consider same.
I am a little surprised...
I am a little surprised that my Old Town Discovery 119 is considered tippy. I got this little red canoe about 15 years ago because I wanted a solo canoe to fish out of that was light enough to cartop by myself. At the time this was the only solo canoe available locally.
Having spent thousands of hours fly fishing from the boat, I have never noticed that it is unstable and I have never taken water accidentally – as someone that is 6’3”, 230 lbs. and not very coordinated I could do it if anyone could. I did manage to boat a 50+ lb grass carp in it and I would not suggest anyone try that trick again.
Having said that the boat is sufficiently stable for my purposes I would have to agree that it does not track well and paddling in a variable wind takes a lot of attention and a well varied J-stroke. I am not sure that any canoe under 12’ long will track much better. Old Town has apparently discontinued this boat but I would still recommend it should a used one float by. It is a great little short distance knock around and fishing platform for one person. - David
I owned this boat for 3...
I owned this boat for 3 years. Great alternative to a kayak for small stream floats. Lack of stability takes getting used to. I dropped the seat about 3" and it helped quite a bit. I fished out of it and you can consider doing overnight trips but keep the weight down. It is lightweight and durable. Tracks pretty well.
I purchased my Old Town...
I purchased my Old Town Discovery 119, used from a woman who did WW. She claimed to have even gone over a 4' fall with it. I didn't plan on using it for WW. Just something to bob around on the water in. I've had 4 other canoes and a kayak in the past, but sold all over the years I was raising a family. Time to get another one...and this came up. As others mentioned, I found it tippy and the first canoe that I ever tipped over in. Disappointed....for a while.
Then I made a rowing outrigger for it (I've done so on all my canoes) and discovered I had a very versatile boat. For years, I've been rowing it on lakes and rivers, even some class II. Not satisfied with just rowing, I decided to try sailing it. Thus began a modification project that turned out better than I expected. YES, I SAIL A Discovery 119!
Like anything, it has its limitations. There isn't any one boat or car, or anything that can do everything, so you just have to learn to live with its limitations. I continually go with others in their kayaks down rivers. It may be a bit slower than a kayak, but the comfort is greater, you can get in and out easier and carry much more equipment.
The 'freeboard' is a bit high thus creating a bit of wind resistance. I've been thinking about drilling out the rivets that hold the gunwales on and cutting down the sides a few inches and then reinstalling the gunwales. Will lessen the effect the wind has in it, but also lessen the carrying capacity. I did make a spray skirt for the 'front', which is held on with strips of stick on velcro just under the gunwale. Makes for drier runs in WW.
All in all, I 'discovered' that the Discovery 119 is a good all round boat that I've probably had more fun in than all the others I've had, combined.
My wife is a relative...
My wife is a relative novice and wanted a solo boat so that she could develop her canoeing skills rather than become a "front seat only" paddler. We got a Discovery 119 from a friend and we are both delighted! We use the boat on the rivers of Northern France (Canche and Authie) which are mostly class 1 with occasional class 2 drops and the occasional weir. Initial stability is good and this promotes confident use of strokes on the onside and cross deck. As one would expect for a short boat it is necessary to use a good J Stroke to keep the boat in a straight line but my wife found that tracking was good compared to other short boats that she has paddled. Overall we both felt that this is a excellent little canoe that encourages good use of strokes and boat control.
Excellent little canoe to...
Excellent little canoe to poke around lakes with. Very stable and easy to paddle. I've paddled up to 8 miles/day in flat water just screwing around. All the noise about it being unstable or hard to paddle must be from people who have no clue what a J-stroke is.
I researched this canoe,...
I researched this canoe, OT119k and found very little info other than this site with the mixed bag of comments. I'd like to say that I'm 6'2" 220 lbs and was concerned about the size of this boat which will be used on ponds only for fishing. This canoe is short and easily moves around but after time you get use to how it is. At 43 lbs it's light, but still 43 lbs picked up and positioned on top of a SUV is still a job, esp. trying not to hit or scratch anything! At 459.00 the price was good for a quality canoe but use it for it's intended purpose not for a family boat.
Read this before deciding...
Read this before deciding not to buy a Discovery 119K. All the hype about instability, bad tracking, entry and exit problems, is just that--hype. I put mine in the river the day after I bought it and found it to have the qualities Old Town is noted for. It is not unstable. It tracks well unless you don't know how to paddle. It'll take an easy stroke much nicer than the power strokes the big guys are trying to give it. It's not a boat for fat folks who are apparently the ones giving the bad reviews. I used it in still water, took it upriver, and downriver through rapids, and not once did I experience anxiousness over the boat's stability or handling. It's not supposed to perform like a nineteen footer. If you wanted a longer canoe, you should have bought one; a shorter canoe can't do everything the longer ones do. Decide what you need, then buy. If you want a solo canoe and you're not the macho type that does everything in a hurry, and you want a boat that won't dunk you, get the 119k. I deliberatly leaned mine to the point of dunking, and I found she'll go all the way over to where the gunwale touches the water before she flips. That's a lot of lean. If you want to carry a lot of stuff, or take someone with you because you're scared to go alone, or if you want to race, by a longer canoe or get a bass boat, but don't whine about the best solo canoe on the market just because you can't handle it.
I've owned lots of canoes...
I've owned lots of canoes and kayaks, inc. several OT products (Penobscot 17, Loon 111, 120, 138, Guide 147), all of which I really enjoyed paddling. I didn't like the Discovery 119k. At all. Heavier than it should be, absolutely won't track at all, incredibly slow (A 12' non-WW canoe doesn't need any rocker). At least it turns fast. Compared to my Mohawk Solo 13, this boat was a pig that never got used. Perhaps it would be OK on moving water, but on a lake you'd be better off swimming. I sold it after a week. It did hold water.
Wow, what a grab bag of...
Wow, what a grab bag of reviews so far. I read most of them before I purchased my 119K and I really don't see what all the complaining is about. The boat has decent stability, you can easily fish out of it. I was actually expecting it to be less stable after reading the other reviews. I'm 6'4" 200lbs and the boat had plenty of stability for me. It's also faster than I had though. Paddling it with a one blde canoe paddle put me at about the same speed as a tandem canoe, with a two bladed kayak paddle, I could easily paddle away from a tandem with two people. The boat was a bit hairy in rough water, as was expected (It's not even 12 feet long). My take is, this is a great little, relativly light weight solo canoe, that I'm going to enjoy using for many years to come.
People seem to either love...
People seem to either love or hate this canoe. After reading the reviews here, I wonder if I even have the same canoe. I've had my OT 119 for 3 years now, and I still like it as much as when I first bought it. Sure it's a bit tippy at first; it's only 11ft 9in long and 31.5 in wide at the gunnels (the lit says 32.5, but mine measures 31.5). The tippy feeling dissappeared after the first 20 min on the water. It feels very stable (at least to me) as long as you keep your belt buckle inside the gunnel. Sometimes I sit, sometimes I kneel, but I've never been dumped by it. As for tracking straight, you will have to work on your strokes more than you would on a long skinny Wenonah, but the practice will work wonders on your paddling technique. A pitched C-stroke works best for me. I've even done some basic freestyle in it. A 55-56 in Bending Branches straight with a 6.5 in wide blade works very nicely for me most of the time. I also carry a 250 mm Sawyer double for windy days or when I want to go fast.
All in all, my OT 119 works great for me. It's manueverability is a joy on narrow creeks, and it works just fine in my hands on open water. Your milage may vary. I would definitely buy another one, but I expect the one I have will last me a long time.
I have a Discovery 119K. I...
I have a Discovery 119K. I spent about $10.00 at the hardware store for 3/4" wood dowel rod,10-24 brass threaded rod and acorn nuts.I lowered the seat 3". This made all the difference in the world. Now the canoe is much more stable. I didn't expect it to track like the longer canoes, but this a fair trade-off for a 12 ft,43# canoe that I can load on the car by myself. I thank some of your other readers for this idea.
The 119 was not my first...
The 119 was not my first canoe nor my first old town but it is by far the most disagreeable canoe I've ever been in. I really wanted the 119 for it's handy size any light weight but the trade-off is not fair. This canoe is tippy all the time and will wear you out just trying to keep from taking a swim. It tracks NOT AT ALL. You have to drag alot of rudder stroke to keep on line and that takes away the LITTLE TO NO GLIDE this canoe has. This canoe has been a total dissapointment. I have tried removing the seat; moving the seat back; kneeling; sitting; half sitting, I just cannot enjoy myself in this canoe and I really enjoy being in a canoe. I have contacted Old Town and told them that I think this canoe ought to be removed from the product line. If you are interested in owning a 119 take mine, I've had enough of fighting with it.
I just returned from four...
I just returned from four days on the John Day River. Lots of class 1 and a class 2+. Compaired to my OT pack, the boat was much drier, tracked better and was great in windy conditions. It felt goosy for the first hour or two, then we reached an understanding and it worked great. Swallowed 4 days of gear without problems.
The 119k was the worst...
The 119k was the worst canoe buy I have ever made. It is light, cute, and tough, but it handles real bad. You can't expect a boat this short to track well and it dose not. It has poor secondary stability. It is very slow. If you take it down any rapids even easy ledges it fills with water. I've canoed for many years and owned 3 Old town boats that have served me well. There are many better boats out there for the same money. The 119 should be recalled.
I have owned my 119k for...
I have owned my 119k for about 5 years and primarily use it on fairly calm lakes and streams. I have customized it for additional stability and comfort -- the canoe lends itself to customizing for those with the inclination. If you don't mind being a non-canoe-purist (even the Olympics admit new sports and ideas from time to time) try taking out the seat and sitting on a closed cell foam camping bed pad doubled over on the canoe's bottom. For a back rest, put in a new thwart where you'd like your backrest, then lean a plywood backrest against the thwart. Secure the back rest to the thwart with ropes from the bottom corners of the seatback up to the thwart so the seat back can only slide down to that point. Very comfortable and adjustable. However, now you will want to consider a new way of paddling. One paddle in each hand. Buy an inexpensive double-bladed paddle designed for a rubber raft, take it apart and use half in each hand. Buy some rubber gloves to take the strain off your hands. Now you don't have to keep switching one paddle from hand to hand to keep the little darlin' tracking straight, even in a breeze. Or, you might like paddling with a stiff Frizbee in each hand. Then, you might make yourself removable custom plywood outriggers with floats that ride a couple of inches above the water on each side of the middle of the canoe. They only touch the water if the canoe tips to the side, and then the float (an inflatable boat fender) stops further tipping. Insures the dry, safe comfortable ride I enjoy in street clothes. Put marine varnish on all wood surfaces. Now you have your go-anywhere, lift easily, strong, attractive, inexpensive canoe to give you lots of pleasure afloat. Keep experimenting and please pass along your ideas.
Discovery 119K Well I have...
Discovery 119K Well I have read the above and have decided to put my 2 cents in. On this boat lower the seat by using longer bolts and wooden dowels set at least 3 to 4 in. and you will find a new world of stability as I did I carry a single paddle for a back up but I use the longest 250+ cm in length double paddle to move it with. I also use a 35 lb anchor under the forward thwart to add some extra ballast down low, I also carry a 12 lb anchor for anchoring when fishing. The 35 lber is also used as a balancing weight, the trick is learn to paddle on one side for long periods of time and move the 35 lbs to the opposite side to trim the boat and when paddling in to larger waves slide it to the center to raise the bow. I weigh in at 235 lbs and with the more weight in the boat then you have to balance it and it tracks better and it is more stable. So if you play around with it you will learn to love this little boat.
I purchased a 119K two...
I purchased a 119K two years ago. I took it into the BWCA with some friends. We canoe our campsite in one day - it takes about seven hours with two portages. It did take some effort. But -It was a lot of fun and I felt confident in big waves with my boat. I found that it turns on a dime and this was extremely beneficial when I was fishing for Walleyes. I never caught more fish ... in fact - this boat is like a fishing machine. I fished in windy and rainy weather. I especially feel that this boat is tougher than heck. I banged it on rocks and this didn't phase it. It was worth the $500 I paid.
I bought a used 119k in...
I bought a used 119k in new condition for $400 last April. I had hoped to use it for solo fishing in small ponds and poking around in marshes. I took the 119k for its maiden voyage while most of the water in our area was still ice-covered and, rather unexpectedly, discovered this boat has almost no secondary stability whatsoever. I have more than 30 years of canoe and kayak paddling experience, own 2 canoes, a kayak, a sailboat and a small motorboat and my swim was a total surprise. Although I would not call this boat "stable", its decent initial stability belies its utter lack of secondary stability. I have not been ejected again but I would not be surprised if it happened. Once May arrived and the water was liquid I took the boat out for a more thorough test. My wife and I have paddled the boat about ten times since. We are both stuck in a love/hate relationship with this boat! My conclusions are as follows:
PROS: This is a very pretty little boat - especially for the price. It is very nimble and a lot of fun to maneuver in tight places. It acts a lot like a kayak in many respects but it is considerably less stable than our Perception Dancer. It cartops almost effortlessly. Outside of a float tube this is about as easy as it gets. It is quite rugged, especially for a 43 lb. boat.
CONS: The lack of secondary stability requires you to be constantly vigilant. It is more "tippy" than you first expect. This is NOT a good boat for any kind of fishing. If you are really focused on fishing you will end up in the water with the fish! The boat is extremely manueverable and paddles very nicely with a double bladed paddle but it blows all over in more than a breeze (a double bladed paddle is almost essential in wind). The boat is fun to paddle with a regular paddle but it is very slow. It will track straight but not without effort and skill. The seat is too high to be stable and too low to fit feet under in a kneeling position. I outfitted mine with a backrest and accept the extra instability in return for comfort. When the water gets rough I slide forward and kneel completely. It's not ideal.
I am sure you COULD paddle this boat in whitewater but you would be doing it mostly for the challenge,the boat is not suited for moving water. Just for fun I tried paddling the 119k with two big adults (about 400 lbs.- 75 lbs shy of its 475 lb rating). It was miserable. We swapped ends (seat and thwarts are better spaced with two when the stern is forward) and each kneeled but the boat simply would not quit jumping around. It ended up working best with a double bladed paddle in the stern and the bow person just sitting very still. Not fun. I had really hoped to be able to press this canoe into service for fishing in ponds but the sad truth is that it requires too much attention to allow one to enjoy the fishing. Flyfishing would be almost impossible and I can't even imagine trying to hunt from it.
CONCLUSION: Don't even consider this boat for hunting/fishing! It is the right size but far too tippy for kids. It might be OK for solo tripping but I think there are better choices. If you are an accomplished paddler and want a very nimble open boat it might be the ticket but paddle this boat BEFORE you buy it! We will keep the boat because it really is fun to paddle but I would hardly call it practical. I find myself looking at stabilizers and sponsons with the hope of improving stability but contraptions are not the answer. Instead I end up just taking one of our other boats for fishing.
I just got back from a 72...
I just got back from a 72 acre lake where I spent the afternoon paddling my new OT119K for the first time. I must say is a very fun little boat. I agree with comments that it is a little unstable at first. I test paddled it for 20 minutes or so, and I felt fairly comfortable. I then went back and retrieved my fishing rod and began fishing. A hour of fishing and I was quite well adjusted to the "tippyness" of the boat. Two hours later, the boat and I had become one. When considering this boat, keep in mind that it is a low cost recreational solo boat.
CONS: The length is 11'9" long which is shorter that the more serious solo boats on the market, and it doesn't sit real deep in the water. It isn't very good at tracking, and is prone to catch the wind. The build of the boat and the seat height make it a little tippy with out much secondary stability.
PROS: The boat is low cost, aprox. $549 retail, which makes it much more affordable than some of the true soloing boats on the market. It is very light and has good car topping ability. I glides smoothly across the water and is very quite. A little work and practice, this boat becomes predictable. I found it to be a joy to fish out of rather than my kayak which is just not designed for fishing at all. Most importantly, this boat is FUN.
If you are looking into a fun little soloing canoe to mess around in and maybe even fish out of, it is great. If you looking for the performance of a top dollar full lenth canoe or kayak, you won't find it here. Take it for what it is designed for, cheap fun.
Also, remember that new Polylink 3, Royalex, and other synthetic canoes are very different from the old Grummond aluminum canoes that rental places provide. When making that step, keep an open mind and spend time learning the virtues of your new synthetic boats. Once you take that time, you will certainly apreciate the fine finesse, performance and speed these boats have.
I have owned a 119k for...
I have owned a 119k for seven years now and I love it. It is short and slow but very forgiving and a great first solo boat. I have found that a nice steady J stroke helps keep the boat on course.
I find this short and...
I find this short and light canoe a fine craft to paddle. I go on weekend trips 4 times a year and many day paddles. this canoe holds all my gear and my dog (when she sits still). I find it very easy to paddle. You just have to know how to paddle. even in wind on the rivers and lakes I have been on 5 to 10 mph. It handles fairly well for a little canoe. but there's one thing i could do with out is the keel how ever small it is. I prefer rivers so the keel doesn't allow me to slip off the shallow rocks and trees. But the bottom line is I paid 399$ at the old town factory store. I love that it's only 43lbs. and the load cap. 475lbs is just fine for my needs. I love it and would buy it again. one more thing.....LET THE RIVERS FLOW FREE
This canoe has some good...
This canoe has some good points. It is tough, durable and quiet, very quiet. It is also small and easy to handle out of the water. In the water, it is good for getting into tight places, and back out. I have loaded it to the max (480lbs. +/-) and it behaved fairly well on very shallow, very still water. I have been down a twisty class I river with my 5 year old in the front and all went quite well.
This canoe also has some bad points. I have not tried a double paddle, but with a single blade it just goes in circles unless I switch every stroke. I made a paddle with a smaller blade (roundish and about 85 square inches). This does help some of the problems. The larger the paddle the more it turns with each stroke. I can, however, turn it completely around with out moving in the water. The keel is worthless, too. The wind blows it sideways with ease. I also installed a keelson and the bottom oilcans less, but does not behave better.
The initial stability is good, but it has virtually no secondary stabability. Lean it close to the gunwale and LOOK OUT! I raised the seat about an inch and a half. This made kneeling much more enjoyable, but it still does not stear well. I am sorely dissapointed that I spent my money on a canoe that will not go straight and cannot recommend that anyone buy a 119K.
I agree with the previous...
I agree with the previous reviewer's comments. This is a great little boat for the price. I too
picked up a blem for about $400, and have enjoyed floating the 119k down tamer streams and on flat
water. I have yet to pick up a double-bladed paddle, but I think that will help with tracking
trouble on flat water. I'm going to use the bejeezus out of this boat.
I have a Discovery 119K...
I have a Discovery 119K that I use for day paddles on local ponds and lakes. It's light (43 lbs), easy to store, and easy to car top and carry to the water (just put the rail on your shoulder). It tracks straight with either a 57" straight paddle and a pitched C-stroke or with a 240 cm double blade paddle. No, it's not fast, but it is stable, very durable, and just a lot of fun for the money ($435, new blem). There is not much of a difference between the OT Pack and the 119, other than 10 lbs. Both pretty much share the same hull dimensions. I preferred the 119 - 2 thwarts rather than 1 (easier to pick up) and better abrasion resistance of the Crosslink over the Royalex on sand and gravel. If what you want is an inexpensive, durable boat for exploring local inlets and relaxed flatwater paddling, it's an excellent choice IMHO.
For what it is, it's a...
For what it is, it's a nice little boat. I have just used it in flatwater, and find it a little slow, but it does track well in wind.
Very stable, tracks well...
Very stable, tracks well on flat water and fun to paddle on Saluda River in Columbia, SC and Section II & III on Chattooga River.